I have a warthog here, definitely above other sticks I owned, I feel like Virpils are too. You must log in or register to reply here. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. Also, I did notice some defective materials in the batch of products that I received. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. I will be using it for flight sims mainly dcs in modern jets f14, f18 and i will have it centre mounted in a simpit. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It may take time. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. Both can be gotten with twist. It has about twice as many buttons as Microsoft Windows recognizes on a game controller, which means youll need to take some extra time to get it tuned before you hop into a game. You can blame Microsoft Flight Simulator for the flight stick shortage were experiencing. It has plenty of hat switches, plus an assortment of triggers that are perfect for games in the IL-2 Sturmovik family or other high-end simulations. Probably a little bit of a chore to swap them out. So, just to make sure I have this strait, MCG is the 'Modern Combat' Gunfighter stick and the Kosmosima is the 'Space Combat' edition of the gunfighter? Yes I followrd their guide. Elite will not show a profile that specifically names the Virpil hardware. Thank you guys for the help. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. Lastly if you have any thoughts please let me know as i know for some spending this kind of money is easy but for its hard for me as now that i have a young family money isnt just failing out of my wallet and i want to make the right purchase as i can barely afford to do it once. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. Thank you for all the suggestions. Privacy Policy. If so, how and what programs? This unique state of art device is already out of "development" phase, and is currently entering "preparation for serial production". Its high-end equipment is currently in stock. Vs the VKB Gunfighter MK3 with the modern combat edition grip and 200mm s curve extension for 433.13 euro ($707.21 aud) (includes shipping). It was a bit of a process to pull apart my two kosmosima grips to fish out the good peg and slap it into my right hand stick, but I'm starting to get a little miffed with the durability of some of these small components. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. I do find VKB to do much nicer and cleaner internal work which matters if or when you have to open up your grip. For around $70 you can get the Virpil Desk Mount V3-S. Powered by Invision Community, 2012-2022 1C Game Studios | 1-777 Limited, 32 Kritis Street, Papachristoforou Building, 4th Floor, 3087 Limassol, Cyprus. Swapping out the throttle for another stick meant that I had to constantly hold the left-hand stick forward to maintain forward thrust. I didn't say ED provided a game setting for Virpil. Its unique to you. My VKB Controls My Universe Gladiator NXT Joysticks Shop our Gladiator NXT EVO Series of Joysticks Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Left Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO 'Space Combat Edition' - Right Hand From $135.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Left Hand $175.00 USD Gladiator NXT EVO Omni Throttle - Right Hand For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Both are great sticks, I have both of them and use extensions with them - however I have not tried using the Warthog grip as I am happy with their grips. Got a Virpil throttle but I can only program about half the hats, axis', and buttons because of ED limiting us to 32 "buttons" per device. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer operational or are too limited to map more than 32 buttons themselves. My own conclusion was that VKB is around 10% cheaper and 99% as good as Virpil. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. VKB complicate unnecessary the things, because being a "Apple" require a . To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Currently have a CM2 grip/CM2 base with a T-50 v3 throttle and ACE-2 peddles for flight sims, as well as a Alpha-R primary with an Alpha-L/WarBRD for offhand in space. But it might give you some ideas regarding quantity of controls being 'enough'. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. 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For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. After a few hours of HOSAS practice, I suddenly found myself with much more precise and immediate control over my virtual spaceships than ever before. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. ED doesn't 'see' any controllers using the bindings files, check whether you can actuallly bind any of the controls to an action and then create your own bindings file. How easy was the software to learn? But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. - VKB gunfighter base vs Virpils bases: VKB has a dry clutch. All rights reserved All rights reserved. TECS (Twin Engine Control System) is a completely new throttle control device made for today's and future jet warbirds. I use one from Wavlink and have 7 devices plugged into it with no problems, including a Virpil joystick, a VKB joystick and a Virpil throttle. In term of quality, feel and performance? I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. The VKB software also allows an enormous amount of customization like a shift key action to double up on everything or (what I find sufficient) a 'tempo' function so a quick tap vs. a longer press has 2 different operations for buttons or certain hat positions. Virpil also may be a little easier to get your hands on sooner rather than later. The Gunfighter is apparently available so even though I probably don't need it, common sense might desert me and I'll plump for the pricier option just because I cant wait. What 'limit' are you talking about? Youll find examples from both brands where people got shipped a dud product or had a bad experience with customer service, but on the whole theyre both producing excellent hardware and its gonna come down to personal preference for the most part. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. - Virpil WARbrd vs VKB: WARbrd base has movement range of +/-22 degrees, where as the VKB bases have +/-15 degrees. As I said before I dont think you can go wrong either way though. I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. They also have just the right amount of heft to them, and feel like a substantial upgrade to the kinds of flight sticks Ive been using for the last decade. Also, I'm not dead set on those two options by any means. So vkb is not the first/only. Just use the Virpil configuration software, click the box for split by 32 buttons on the profile page and calibrate it. It's easy! There are some there. There are all sorts of advice guides on how to optimise your chances. The VKB base has some nice features the Virpil base doesn't have (dampers) and overall just rates a bit higher in terms of quality/performance. I have an in-depth write up here. Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. What do you mean by splitting axes? Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. Initially I'm after a stick and will continue to use my X55 throttle, eventually I'll replace my throttle or possibly go 2 sticks. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. 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If youre going HOTAS, Id recommend getting something from Thrustmaster instead. The V3-S also opens the door to additional customization options, including mounts that hang a keyboard, mouse pad, additional button boxes, and more all off of the same clamp. Overall, Im smitten with these Virpil controls. But that being said, if you're focusing on space games, I'm leaning towards thinking you'll prefer the gunfighter + kosmosima or virpils constellation. Take my advice - before starting, enter into the map all the switch and button numbers from the Virpil test program because when you look in the ED keybindings, that's what will show. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. 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